Public opinion on the Israel-Iran conflict is sharply divided, with strong sentiments expressed for both Israel and Iran. Many commenters emphasize Iran's right to self-defense and criticize Israel for its military actions, while others highlight humanitarian concerns for civilians, leading to a complex discourse influenced by nationalism, media biases, and calls for peace. Overall, there is a significant frustration over ongoing violence and a desire for genuine resolutions rather than escalation.

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DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Israel unleashed airstrikes across Iran for a third day on Sunday and threatened even greater force as some Iranian missiles evaded Israeli air defenses to strike buildings in the heart of the country. Planned talks on Iran’s rapidly advancing nuclear program, which could provide an off-ramp, were canceled.

The region braced for a protracted conflict after Israel’s surprise bombardment of Iran’s nuclear and military sites on Friday killed several top generals and nuclear scientists. Neither side showed any sign of backing down. Iran said Israel struck two oil refineries, raising the prospect of a broader assault on Iran’s heavily sanctioned energy industry that could affect global markets.

The Israeli military, in a social media post, warned Iranians to evacuate arms factories, signaling a further widening of the campaign.

AndroidOne1

Half the people that supposed to be in those talks have been eliminated and you thought they was still trying to come to the table and talk?

ITSHOBBSMA

I know that it's hard because Iran has cut internet, and both Israel and Iran try to keep news about strike locations quiet for security, but what sites are you guys using for information?

Bandlebridge

Tough situation. Israel seems to have the upper hand with air superiority, controlling the skies over Iran, which gives them a strategic edge in this conflict.

Big_Introduction1952

Its insane how the content on reddit would make you think this is an even fight right now. Israel is absolutely decimating Iran.

rJaxon

It’s weird to say, but the end result of this might be as close to “peace in the Middle East” as we’ve been for a very long time (ever?).

Most of the aggressors will have been neutered and their allies and proxies either decapitated or just plain scared shitless.

Open and secret supporters of Iran and its goals are fucked up and scared right now.

iwastoolate

With Israel having air control over Iran , why haven't they identified where they are launching all these missiles from and taken them out?

Unasked_for_advice

Trump really about to be the president who let WWIII happen.

SamL214

Let’s be honest… someone had to do it.

Ivanov_94

KorlsDoop

Meanwhile "Protector of Israel" according to the rumors fled the country.

oshaboy

Is this the trade deal that Trump was yapping about?

breezersletje

I was hoping Trump would go to Iran in person to hold the meeting lol

nelly2929

It’s crazy because I was in Türkiye about two months ago and they were doing flights to Istanbul and Tehran. At the time, Istanbul was probably gonna be cancelled or delayed because there were protests at the time. Now, their (the airport I flew to) flights are gonna be pretty limited.

Trishyangel123

I hope the Iranian government is crippled after this and the people of Iran can become free once again

nukacola12

Based on the typical weather patterns in that region, if either or both launch nukes, it will cause enormous collateral damage across at least 12 countries, from North Africa to India and eastern Asia. Imagine the worldwide disruptions to food and materials. Western countries would not want to import contaminated products either.

Least_Gain5147

War should be the two leaders dueling with a gun. Sacrifice yourself.

SinfullySinless

Iron dome has a hard time with longer range ballistics. 

Hopefully this can end as fast as possible with as little death as can be managed.

UnoriginalJ0k3r

So 2 got through out of how many launched? How many dead in Israel?

MangoShadeTree

Let’s say there’s a timeline where Israel didn’t attack Iran. Iran would have nuclear weapons within a month or two. What do you think a nuclear armed Iran would do? Why don’t one of you Iran supporters play that out for me over the next five years or so?

Optimal_Weird1425

Hey, are those military facilities in densely populated civilian areas? It looks like those missiles are shooting up from the ground from in and around a city. Is Israel using civilians as human shields?

Bubbly-Money-7157

Iran has threatened israel with complete and total annihilation for decades now. All they were waiting for was the ability to create nuclear weapons. That is not propaganda or fake news. Its fact. Israel determined that iran was too close to achieving said goal. Its just as simple as that.

Enough-Silver-915

"Shoot zem, shoot zem both..."

(Points for the movie)

DWill82760

Why does Israel have weapons systems inside residential areas? 

Its almost as if they are using the civilians as human shields.

Hot-Usual5060

Flashy-Hotel-3259

Thanks chat gpt.

I swear people can’t think for themselves anymore with ai

AccordingMedicine129

Friendly reminder to “progressives” that side with Iran:

On women:

Iran enforces mandatory hijab laws, prosecuting women and girls who do not comply and closing businesses. Women face discrimination in marriage, divorce, and inheritance. Married women require their husband's permission for passports and travel abroad, and husbands can restrict their wives' occupations. Child marriage is permitted, with girls as young as 13 and boys as young as 15 able to marry, and younger with judicial approval. Cases of femicide and "honor killings" occur, but there are no specific laws addressing domestic violence. Women and girls involved in protests, including the 2022 "Woman Life Freedom" uprising, have faced arbitrary detention, torture, and unjust prosecution. Strict anti-abortion laws have been further tightened, limiting access and increasing costs for prenatal screening.

On LGTBQ:

Consensual same-sex sexual relationships are criminalized, with punishments up to the death penalty. LGBTQ+ individuals experience systemic discrimination and violence, including harassment and denial of rights and services. State-endorsed "conversion therapies," considered torture, are used to attempt to change sexual orientation or gender identity, including for children.

nyr00nyg

This is ridiculous. The planet is burning up and all these middle to late aged men can think about is more war.

second_last_jedi

If only Iran hadn't forced Israel to attack them unprovoked.

mykehawksaverage

Fun_Imagination_904

"Key buildings in Tehran" is a funny way of saying apartment buildings full of civilians where the target lived.

lebastss

Israel is not going to stop until it has defanged Iran.   And it shouldn’t.  It is not acceptable or safe for Iran to have nuclear capability.  And Iran has already tried to attack a US base in the region with drones, so they are trying to drag us in.  God help them if they drag us into this.  Between the US and Israel, we’ll send Iran back to the Stone Age.

JarHead-Actual-0302

What is the crisis point exactly? Like what point is that?

Ok-Replacement9595

WeakPast1817

\&gt;&gt;the possibility of this turning into a wider war is growing by the hour.&lt;&lt;

I don't see that happening.

Solopist112

Ok_Place_2551

Could of sworn Trump said, there would be no wars on his watch 🤔

Invest_and_ballout

bacachew

It's crazy that the ones who suffer the most are the people who have absolutely nothing to do with it and nothing to gain.

Durivage4

Hey guys I was searching YouTube to find videos and I typed “Israel attacks…” and then sooooo many places came up. Which one is it today?

Visible_Turnover3952

Thought Trump could prevent wars or end them in 24hrs.  If thos were under Biden they would scream weakness to allow this

MuchRoutine1979

DerfDaSmurf

YokedLlama

Sacdragons

When old bibi rolled out the “weapons of mass destruction” line, we all knew he was trolling. 

What’s did he say (exact carbon copy of Blair). 

“They could launch a bomb in 6 weeks, 4 weeks, a nuclear bomb could be launched…. Tomorrow.”

He really does think we’re all thick as fuck…

…and yet the Western media is rolling this out as fact.

stuntedmonk

So we got assholes on both sides making choices where civilians die because of their poor choices. 

Jolly_Ad2446

Qwazi420

Positive-Low-7447

Are these missiles just blind fire into populated areas? (for clarity I'm asking about missiles fired in both directions)

00gingervitis

Lugubrious-Athlete

jemhadar0

Sorry I feel so out of the loop on this a quick break down or eli5 would be great. I thought Israel and Palestine were fighting ...or they were fighting Humas. Now why are they attacking/being attacked by Iran?

go_go_gadget_travel

So it turns out bombing another country causes war

OpportunityCorrect33

and what is trump doing about this NOTHING AT ALL

Exotic-Control-8821

Bitter-Holiday1311

Yes there is. Gaza is the most densely populated area in the world . So the argument is that Israel is less densely populated than Gaza but that the Israeli government gave permits to civilians to build homes next to military installations so therefore the military is not using them as human shields…they are using themselves as human shields? That argument works much better for Gaza defenses though.  Where are Israel’s nukes, biological and chemical weapons stored?

Effective-Hunt-4602

apeoida

There are two types of people -- people who support Palestine because they want to see people suffer and people who support Palestine because they don't want to see anyone suffer.

Only one of those would mock and jeer "Iran has the right to defend themselves!"

Ok_Calendar_5199

Wild-Ad6025

rhavaa

Can Israel win against Iran? (Without nukes)

Klamangatron

I have had nightmares of stuff like this. Horrifying that some people are truly living it. I hope none of us here ever have to experience it. US needs to stop getting involved in foreign conflicts

Equivalent-Dingo3318

War is bad in any case but Israel how been going buck wild on Palestinians.

FlyByRoll

I mean, spreadsheets are just that. 
Their capabilities appear unrelated to this discourse.

youdubdub

It all needs to collapse before anything gets better sadly

CrotasScrota84

Iran better watch it, Israel could suddenly beg for more US tax money and then come for you. And you know those Americans are morons they will easily give up their tax money too.

k3170makan

Israel is willing to risk lives of its people to advance its objective… Jews gotta be that stupid to blindly support this

Eddybravo89

As if Iran will listen to the Israeli after their negotiations in Gaza🤣

Intelligent_Finger27

All because Trump pulled out of Obama’s Iran nuclear deal. This conflict was 100% caused by traitor Trump.

Certain_Context5923

Pretty sure at some point their leaders gonna throw nukes at each other....


I just feel sad for all the peaceful people and families on both sides : /

BornSlippy420

Choose from options: 

1. Let God sort it out. 

2. Let Allah sort it out. 

3. Let Elohim sort it out. 

4. Let YHWH sort it out.

Creative_Major2266

Iran isn't innocent but the civilians dont deserve this. The world has gone mad

TellEmHisDreamnDaryl

In the 70s, the idea of multiple valid perspectives in the culture (brings lots of progressive ideas, like hippy culture) brought enough resentment to cause a violent revolution, which oppresses women to this day (they dropped to the “Law and order” way of thinking). 

It’s confusing how progressives are choosing to side with Iran when it is so anti-progressive. Reminds me of Queers for Palestine.

HotPerformance6137

Screams “ we only wanted to bomb you if you couldnt fight back”

Charming_Beyond3639

This would never have happened if Trump were in office.

Darth_Iggy

Maybe there’s a lesson here, don’t start a war

Stocky1978

Iran is targeting civilians. What a wicked nation.

Moonwrath8

Lil_Simp9000

Hate begets hate…sad but totally avoidable

Ornery-Ad8372

Really shows how mass media has no direction from upstairs who they want to propagandize us towards hating/loving. 


Imagine if when Russia attacked Ukraine they would run articles like:


RUSSIA vs UKRAINE - The bomb is about to blow! Enjoy these snippets of the destruction

New-Hovercraft-5026

Can anyone explain the logistics of the initial strike done by Israel?

Ok_Piccolo_4483

Vegetable-Key3600

![gif](giphy|AgPt9udT567spxbSHf)

"Iran attacked Israel"

Mundane-Mirror-6911

Wild that the 12 Israeli killed are mentioned but the hundreds of Iranians killed aren't mentioned

Longjumping-Ad8974

Russia just lost its source of drones in the Ukraine war.

mrev_art

More war, but my Microsoft puts get wiped out

TurretLimitHenry

this is what happens when a bunchbof sick fucks are in power...
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DeputyBlunderbus

Let us say Iran are sending over their stockpile of all their old missiles that have been sitting in storage for decades…. Just to see where Israel has their anti-missile devices. 
😦
In residential areas it would appear.
😱
It may be an Israeli trap…. But we shall see where they go to next.

Key_Savings_7458

Zealousideal_Code841

I think it's time wars become purely virtual, ooh or like that civilization from guardians of the Galaxy, where Adam warlock comes from

Dense_Candle9573

I have no sympathy for either side. Israeli’s support genocide of anyone not willing to conform to their rules. Iran has been evil for many decades… 

And yes, that includes the “innocent” civilians that support their respective regimes.

stick004

# Poll: 82% of Israelis Jews want to expel Palestinians from Gaza; 47% want to kill every man, woman, and child in Gaza.

  
SO, F\*\*K them.

Medical-Treat-2892

cashMoney5150

Looks like Gaza. Seems about par for the course around that area. What’s the issue?

elementmg

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I'm going to put aside the moral rightness of whether Israel is justified in attacking Iran. Most people likely believe that Israel is either justified or that they're morally bankrupt, so in either case the rightness or wrongness of the decision wouldn't impact the Israeli choice in the matter. Instead let's focus on whether or not it's a good strategic decision. 

First, let's look at the objectives of the strikes and whether they were achieved. 

* Decapitation for the Iranian military leadership

Astonishingly successful on a scale that isn't really getting as much attention as it should. The Iranian military is extremely centralized to keep most of the control concentrated in those loyal to the Supreme Leader. Israel just assassinated the commander in chief of the military AND his deputy, the chief of the revolutionary guard, and the head of Iranian air defense. I really can't emphasize enough the level of institutional knowledge the Iranians just lost and the chaos that replacing it is going to entail. Just to give a concept: imagine that the US national guard was a unified force across all the states with its own command structure entirely separate from the joint chiefs of staff. Now imagine a drone killed the joint chiefs and their replacement wasn't a general from the army or Marines, but the head of the national guard. That's basically what replacing Mohammad Bagheri with Abdolrahim Mousavi is like. The Iranian military is about to go through a fundamental reshuffling and power shift. 

* Dismantle the Iranian nuclear program

It's still too soon to tell, but I'm doubtful. Israel claimed to "significantly damage" the underground facilities at Natanz, but so far that's been unconfirmed by any other reporting and would have been quite the accomplishment considering it is buried in a mountainside. I think it's more likely that this was a mild setback in Iran's enrichment process but is likely to spark Iran to pursue actual weapons grade uranium rather than stockpiling 60% enriched material. 


That puts Israel in an EXTREMELY dangerous position for the next month or so. Iran is likely to devote all of its efforts to constructing a usable nuclear weapon before Israel can finish destroying its enrichment facilities, and will likely succeed. At that point, you have a difficult to predict and shifting military leadership in possession of a nuclear weapon with every incentive to use it before Israel can launch follow-up strikes to destroy it. It's a "use it or lose it" incentive structure that drastically increases the chance of a nuclear exchange. 

Let's say you're part of an Israeli military planning meeting discussing the airstrikes. An analyst tells you "if everything goes exactly to plan, there is a 5% chance that this time next month Tel Aviv will disappear in a mushroom cloud, but in exchange we will cripple the Iranian command structure for the next several years. I certainly wouldn't accept that risk, especially when as you said the Iranian ability to project power in the region has drastically diminished. There would need to be some external incentive to strike now, rather than last month or next year. 

I would argue that these strikes are NOT directed at regime change within Iran, but rather were intended to derail the American/Iranian nuclear talks or were associated with the attempt on Thursday to dissolve the parliament and call new elections. 

I'm not sure if that changes your view or not, but I hope it puts it in a different light.

brainpower4



You've outlined your arguments why Israel might be pissed at Iran, but you haven't satisfied that Israel's attacks are meaningful in any way that is a response to the threats you've outlined.

Eg: you argue that Iran, through proxies, is messing with Israel.  And presumably,  yes, Israel can poke back.   But Israel's clapback is entirely insufficient to address your argument that Iran is messing with proxy irregular forces.

 As you well know, Israel's purported official reasoning is Iran is "too close" to achieving nuclear capability, whatever that means.  If that's true, it doesn't affect Iran's proxy irregular capacity,  it affects (Maybe?)  Iran's nuclear capacity.  

Btw, the Houthis are definitely supported by Iran.  But it's a stretch to say that the Houthis are a conscious active lever of Iran directed specifically @ Israel.  Houthis primarily have beef with zyemen official govt, and KSA which props up Yemen.  The reason why Iran backs the Houthis is because Iran likes to help cause headaches for KSA.

I'm not confident that Iran backed up Assad in the way you say.   More like Assad being weak suited Iran, and Iran had official or unofficial channels for access for transit.

You've got some weird perspectives on ME dynamics.

CocoSavege

To clarify, your argument is that, now that Iran's strategy has failed and it isn't a threat anymore, that it's right for Israel to attack Iran? 


This does conflict with Israel arguing pre-emptive self-defense. 

AdvancedPangolin618

Lol, yes, they "decapitated" Hezbollah...who then forced them out of Lebanon.  Houthis are still causing shipping problems.  Hamas have more people than ever (as was inevitable with Israel's actions).  Assad falling is the only actual win for Israel and they didn't even do it.

No, it doesn't make sense to attack Iran.  Iran is a much larger country and Israel is losing support because of their genocide.  This could backfire on them big time.

Mrs_Crii

I don’t agree that Israel should have attacked Iran and I don’t think it’s the win people think it is.

Yes, Iran’s proxy network has taken some serious hits lately. But attacking Iran directly is a huge escalation. This isn’t just another skirmish with a militia — it’s targeting a large, sovereign nation with real military capabilities, regional influence, and plenty of ways to hit back (missiles, cyber, maritime disruption, etc).

The idea that Iran is “weak and alone” feels oversimplified. It’s definitely under pressure, but a direct attack could actually strengthen the regime by rallying nationalist sentiment. We’ve seen this before: foreign threats tend to help authoritarian governments tighten their grip, not collapse.

Also, strategically, what’s the endgame here? Iran isn’t going to roll over. If anything, this raises the risk of wider conflict in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, or the Gulf. And it could cost Israel politically too, even its allies might start pushing back if this spirals.

tldr: just because the opportunity exists doesn’t mean it’s the smart move. Containing Iran’s influence is one thing; attacking them is another. This feels like a gamble with way too many unknowns.

NoWayBruh_

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